Curse

Searer · Apr 05, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

A nice Fire build got nice comment but bad rating in PvX.

16Fire 13 ES 3 Water
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor
Glyph of Renewal[E]
Fire Storm
Searing Heat
[Optional: Fireball / Meteor / Meteor Shower]
[Optional: Mark of Rodgort/ Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom]
Deep Freeze
Fire Attunement

Earth Varient (Honored Sands?):
16Earth 11ES 8 Inspiration 2Water
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor
Arcane Echo
Sandstorm[E]
Eruption
[Optional:Ward Against Melee/ Earthquake/ Dragon's Stomp]
[Optional:Auspicious Incantation /Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom]
Deep Freeze
Earth Attunement

How do you think

Div · Apr 05, 2008, 09:29 AM // 09:29

What skill do you glyph renewal in that first build?

Searer · Apr 05, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

Fire Storm. For Fire Storm's damage isthe highest, especially combined with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor.

Targuil · Apr 05, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44

I like how enemies run away from aoe.

Searer · Apr 05, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

This is PvE and you have Deep Freeze. Well, maybe you can add Meteor (shower) or Earthquake (Dragon's Stomp).

360° · Apr 05, 2008, 10:48 AM // 10:48

I like how Firestorm is used by bad players.

Mouse at Large · Apr 05, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

If you are going to take Firestorm, at least couple it with Mark of Rodgort. Nobody can deny the fact that you will trigger scatter with it, especially in HM, but it can still work as part of a balanced bar.

Remember, they may run away, but they do come back. It can also act to take pressure off of a backline monk or other caster if your group can't hold frontline aggro.

I know the received wisdom is Firestorm = fail, but if you know how to use it, it can still be viable - just don't take it for it's DoT alone.

Tyla · Apr 05, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Firestorm is bad. /thread.

Konig Des Todes · Apr 05, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

A combo *which work, at least for me, in PvE, even in HM* is using Meteor Shower, Mark of Rodgrot, then Firestorm combo. Making sure Meteor Shower is first is important for the knockdown, but you can also include some snare skill with it as long as it is an aoe snare, so that the whole chain keeps as an aoe.

Mickey · Apr 05, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

If you have the option, just use Savannah Heat. 100x more damage (probably an over exaggeration) for 5 energy, and you can just arcane echo that.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 05, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

For fire, savannah heat makes a hell of a lot more sense than firestorm. Firestorm does have good damage, but the AoE is so tiny that it really isn't as useful. You may as well run tenai's heat too.

For earth, you don't need deep freeze. Between earthquake and unsteady ground (a better choice than sandstorm), everything will be snared well enough.

The energy on both of those builds seems shaky without GoLE.

The biggest problem with the ubernuker builds like that is poor adaptability. If everything isn't in a neat pile when you start, things go poorly. If for some reason your combo is disrupted or fails to wipe everything, you're left wanding things for 30 seconds while it recharges. It certainly works, it's just an all-or-nothing style of play.

moriz · Apr 05, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

heavy duration-based AoE nuking is obsolete in PvE, for the simple fact that a warrior with splinter weapon can kill that monster stack before the nuker finish casting the first spell.

fire nukers should focus more on single damage AoEs that are faster, if only so they can keep pace with the warrior+splinter.

llsektorll · Apr 05, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360°

I like how Firestorm is used by bad players.

on the contrary i used firestorm for hex pressure with tainted... in a r9-12 group and it just added to the pressure..... you'd be surprised at how many people stand in it... haha if stood the full duration it is approx 250-290 dmg not considering armor...

Div · Apr 06, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by llsektorll

on the contrary i used firestorm for hex pressure with tainted... in a r9-12 group and it just added to the pressure..... you'd be surprised at how many people stand in it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360°

I like how Firestorm is used by bad players to beat other bad players.

Fixed. Happy now?

newbie_of_doom · Apr 08, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360°

I like how Firestorm is used by bad players.

you said it all breed!

Sir Pandra Pierva · Apr 08, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

with holie's fix he had the topic won

zling · Apr 18, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Firestorm=Fail
which is why your build got low rating...
also any Fire Ele nuker without 1 of the following: MB, SH, SF, Dual Attunements, AP is pretty much a FAIL...

Zonzai · Apr 19, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

I was going to say something but zling said it all.

Yichi · Apr 19, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Searer

Fire Storm. For Fire Storm's damage isthe highest, especially combined with Ebon Battle Standard of Honor.